http://www.space.com/11386-galaxies-formation-big-bang-hubble-telescope.htmlHubble spots a galaxy at only 400 million years after the Big Bang - Ars Technica
http://tinyurl.com/hhgh49t
The idea behind these articles is that galaxies formed 200-400 million years ago.
Without some mechanism this type of compression is impossible within the time frame given. This requires an understanding that even though the big bang, and even the successive big bang theories allow that all the matter of the universe started out highly concentrated even so the formation of stars would involve spaces forming between them as they formed from collapsed hydrogen gas.
It the analysis that follows, the massive concentration of the big-bang theory is balanced against the observed size of space to get some estimates. The math is largely flawed because it's just an exercise and if someone wants to take it down a peg or two, and you have the time, you're welcome to it. Nobel prize winners, even those who haven't been nominated yet, have better things to do than to check their math.
How long does it take stars to form: say 2 million years (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-02/887761417.As.r.html). This formation of stars pretty much assumes that star formation began immediately after the big bang (say within a million years)
How far apart are stars when they form say 4light years- http://cse.ssl.berkeley.edu/chips_epo/EducationBrief/CHIPS-Educational_Brief.htm(a slightly overthought version- https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-distance-between-stars-throughout-the-galaxy-and-does-the-mean-distance-decrease-towards-the-center-of-the-galaxy
How many stars make up a galactic black hole 3 million (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/star_intro.html)
What is the density of these stars during formation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_inter-particle_distance
So: r=4.5 million light years=(1/(N/V)^1/3 where N=3,000,000.
so 1/4.5million^3=3million/v or v=3million*4.5millionlight^3 years. The radius of this huge sphere is based on v=pir^3 or 13.5million^4 light years/pi^1/3=radius from one side to the other. To collapse the stars must, moving below light speeds, meet in the middle.
What is the length of time it takes for the stars to travel to the same location as the black hole (this ignores that black holes theoretically form from collapsing neutron stars) can be calculated
Once in the same location how long does it take to accumulate a) ring of stars around a black hole
Using 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 light years (not years, but light years) you get a radius of this huge sphere of around 100,000,000 light years apart for the stars which means even traveling at the speed of light, and assuming they were no more dispursed than a galaxy (even though there is no galaxy to bring them together) the stars would take 1,000 years to come together. Gravitational acceleration is greatly reduced by the distance M1*m2/10,000light years and even as the mass grows (slowly) acceleration would increase only nominally until near the end of the accumulation process.
At the beginning it would be g1 sun^2/4.5^2 million light years. The obvious average acceleration is g1sun/4.5 million light years^2 where g is the gravitational constant. This suggests even after the formation of the necessary stars even if they began in galactic concentrations it would take many more millions of years than were available for the stars to come together over 100,000,000 light years. It's possible to com up with an estimate but it is a factor of perhaps 100,000 or more greater than the factor of 4 to get to the 400 million years after the big bang observed.
Formation within could only form within this time frame if matte
I might say "Bazinga" if I wanted to take time to check my math, but for the moment, this only being a rough estimate, I say that it speaks for itself. There is just too much distance that separates us, if we want to form the universe in this way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPBzTxZQG5Q
But if we force the universe to come together once its formed, then perhaps something else is possible and hence intersecting f-series spirals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN9gcaQPTVk
How far apart are stars when they form say 4light years- http://cse.ssl.berkeley.edu/chips_epo/EducationBrief/CHIPS-Educational_Brief.htm(a slightly overthought version- https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-distance-between-stars-throughout-the-galaxy-and-does-the-mean-distance-decrease-towards-the-center-of-the-galaxy
How many stars make up a galactic black hole 3 million (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/star_intro.html)
What is the density of these stars during formation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_inter-particle_distance
So: r=4.5 million light years=(1/(N/V)^1/3 where N=3,000,000.
so 1/4.5million^3=3million/v or v=3million*4.5millionlight^3 years. The radius of this huge sphere is based on v=pir^3 or 13.5million^4 light years/pi^1/3=radius from one side to the other. To collapse the stars must, moving below light speeds, meet in the middle.
What is the length of time it takes for the stars to travel to the same location as the black hole (this ignores that black holes theoretically form from collapsing neutron stars) can be calculated
Once in the same location how long does it take to accumulate a) ring of stars around a black hole
Using 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 light years (not years, but light years) you get a radius of this huge sphere of around 100,000,000 light years apart for the stars which means even traveling at the speed of light, and assuming they were no more dispursed than a galaxy (even though there is no galaxy to bring them together) the stars would take 1,000 years to come together. Gravitational acceleration is greatly reduced by the distance M1*m2/10,000light years and even as the mass grows (slowly) acceleration would increase only nominally until near the end of the accumulation process.
At the beginning it would be g1 sun^2/4.5^2 million light years. The obvious average acceleration is g1sun/4.5 million light years^2 where g is the gravitational constant. This suggests even after the formation of the necessary stars even if they began in galactic concentrations it would take many more millions of years than were available for the stars to come together over 100,000,000 light years. It's possible to com up with an estimate but it is a factor of perhaps 100,000 or more greater than the factor of 4 to get to the 400 million years after the big bang observed.
Formation within could only form within this time frame if matte
I might say "Bazinga" if I wanted to take time to check my math, but for the moment, this only being a rough estimate, I say that it speaks for itself. There is just too much distance that separates us, if we want to form the universe in this way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPBzTxZQG5Q
But if we force the universe to come together once its formed, then perhaps something else is possible and hence intersecting f-series spirals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN9gcaQPTVk
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